Comments on: The poison pill bill

By: lemon_lyman

lemon_lyman — Thu, 25 May 2006 17:54:44 +0000

Great Post Luv2Box………..bringing up the fact that a regulated internet would have not allowed the creators of Google and others prosper, and now they are forgetting where they came from. This is clearly a free market argument, cut and dry, and it is imperative to keep the government out.

By: Faank

Faank — Thu, 25 May 2006 03:59:06 +0000

Y’all have been busy since I was last here…while I’m skeptical of all sources, I don’t trust Google, et al vis-a-vis the telcos because they’re all out for one thing and one thing only: a profit. This is a business matter, not a government matter. The engineers and hardware manufacturers that are coming out against this carry a little more cachet with me than these corporate giants.

By: MRT

MRT — Thu, 25 May 2006 00:43:21 +0000

The only way that google and microsoft got to the point that they are at was through the competition of the free market. Now, they want to regulate the internet because somebody else is offering a service that is better than theirs. I do not want give control over the internet just so these companies can stay on top. If they want to do something, they should stop bugging Congress and start developing new products.

By: frank04

frank04 — Wed, 24 May 2006 14:06:15 +0000

I oppose net neutrality for many reasons. First and foremost is my distaste with regulation. I find it to be bad for business and the internet. I also don’t see how such regulations would actually be necessary as no one is violating net neutrality.

By: Richard

Richard — Wed, 24 May 2006 11:02:25 +0000

Bluey, do you forget that under your regulation-happy view, the telcos would be forbidden by law from innovating at the higher layers of the protocol stack.?

All the practicing network engineers I know oppose new regulations on the Internet. They’re the people I listen to, not the Bubble-rich stock swindlers who would be in prison if the Justice Department were doing its job.

By: directorblue

directorblue — Wed, 24 May 2006 10:30:33 +0000

Moby and REM? Who knows. I’d go with the guys who’ve created a trillions dollars in market value — Google, eBay, Skype, and every Internet startup on the planet, who back strongly worded net neutrality legislation.

Or you could go with the the telcos, who haven’t created a single Internet innovation at layers 4-7, who now want to control the keys to those layers.

Throughout history, successful organizations have found that they have to “move up the value stack” in order to be successful. Pity the telcos never figured that out.

By: Net Chick

Net Chick — Wed, 24 May 2006 03:37:55 +0000

Highly respected technology companies are coming out saying net neutrality is not good for anyone. Are we to take the words of Moby and REM as the voice of reason?

By: Richard

Richard — Wed, 24 May 2006 02:12:42 +0000

This is simply speculation, isn’t it? It’s built on the same slippery-slope logic as the rest of the neutrality hysteria, not on network engineering principles.

By: directorblue

directorblue — Wed, 24 May 2006 01:26:27 +0000

After years of multiple failures to implement QoS (using both reservation and priority-based (e.g., DiffServ, VLL) model on Internet2, I found this quote from the after-action report (Why Premium IP Service Has Not Deployed (and Probably Never Will)) fascinating:

...in a Premium service world, making a customer that otherwise doesn't pay you directly switch from "free" (for transit customers) best-effort service to paid Premium service and have some money dribble through the payment system into your coffers seems too obvious a trick not to play... We expect that if Premium were deployed, providers would begin to treat the best-effort traffic of non-customers worse than the best-effort traffic of their customers. The erosion of best-effort service would lead to a completely different world where all serious work gets done over Premium service and users are generally expected to make virtual circuit reservations for most of what they do.

Can I get an 'indeed'?

By: calamityjane

calamityjane — Tue, 23 May 2006 23:28:53 +0000

And let’s not forget that a tiered internet already exists. Wi-Fi, dial-up, and different speeds and prices of broadband…I don’t understand why the sky is falling all of a sudden.